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Kevin English:  [00:00:00] I'm fairly new to social media and I'm still trying to get the hang of it, honestly. I created a Facebook and an Instagram account a little over a year ago when I launched the silver edge. Which is my site for my personal training and nutrition coaching business, as well as the launchpad for this podcast.

Anyway, Instagram is the app I use most. In fact, it's how I find most of the guests for the show. I have no idea how the Instagram algorithms work. I follow a ton of accounts, but I've noticed that only a handful of them consistently pop up at the top of my feed on a daily basis. One of those is Joe White.

Joe posts every day. Without fail. And I look forward to seeing his posts and hearing his motivational tagline. Keep pushing, don't ever give up. Joe also has the distinction of being the first ever guest on this podcast just over one year ago.

Hello and [00:01:00] welcome to the over 50 health and wellness podcast. I'm your host, Kevin English. I'm a certified personal trainer and nutrition coach, and my mission is to help educate and inspire you to become the strongest, healthiest version of yourself.

Each week I feature guests that enlighten us with their views on the best ways to remain active and vital as we age. My guest this week is Joe White. Joe is a 54 year old husband, father and adventure training instructor. Joe is also a cancer survivor and cancer fighter.

In 2014, Joe was diagnosed with bowel cancer. And had an operation to remove part of his bowel liver, small intestine, and finally his entire pancreas. Then in 2018, he received news that he had a secondary tumor on his liver and was put on chemo tablets for the rest of his life.

You can go back to episode one of this podcast to hear Joe's incredible journey. But I asked him to recap for us here today.

Jo White: Okay. So start in [00:02:00] 1989, we got married and then I went into adventure training.

So working for the military and became a diving instructor And adventure training instructor. So I get a nice, easy job. We say that I really, really enjoy it. I get to play all day long, basically out of the Hills, underneath the water, up on the mountains, all over the place. so we did that for many, many years and still doing that now.

And then it came to getting cancer or being diagnosed with cancer in 2014, which was a bowel cancer. And then we went from there with a bowel cancer that was sorted out. So then I found out, got diagnosed and then wanted to do something. So had an operation.

It was removed. So I went into the hospital at 84 kilos and came out at 73 kilos, 10 days later, hell of a diet, is not recommended and having a nice scar on my stomach all the way down. Looks like a half a shark bites as I call it. [00:03:00] But I was told I would never be as fit as I was before. And I wouldn't be able to go back to the job. So I'd have to start to look for something else.

Kevin English:  So that makes you a cancer survivor. And to your point, doctors told you you'd never be as fit as you were again. And I believe that then again, in 2019 you had a, a secondary tumor or a return of the cancer.

Jo White: Yeah. And that's I'm on chemo for life now. So it never go, it has to be controlled all the time. So in actual fact, tomorrow I'm going in for another scam. So have a checkup. So with that in mind, and we have this, I just wanted to do something. This is where the 365 days of action came in that doing 22 K a day.

So 30 miles a day also to climb a hundred thousand meters in elevation. In, so doing it everyday for a year also, climbing the hundred best scrambles and also Kilimanjaro Montblanc and [00:04:00] Mount Elbrus. So that was included until COVID hit.

Kevin English: Yeah, so until COVID hits. So let's, let's back up on the story a little bit. So folks listening to this that haven't listened to that first episode, probably don't know what 365 days of action is. So let's, before we go there, let's back up a little bit and talk about your recovery. Obviously you'd be very weak coming out at, you mentioned that drastic weight loss you had in that first trip into the hospital.

How did you get to where you're capable of doing what we're going to go on and talk about this 365 days of action.

Jo White: So coming up hospitals so that the operation was on the 14th on 2014 in July 10 days later, I came out of hospital and I couldn't put a step in front of me. Very difficult to walk base to their teachers to have to walk that when I got home, the day that I got home, my wife refused to have the commode in the house.

She was no reason for it for you walk [00:05:00] up the stairs. So the second went in the door, up those stairs, right? You use the toilet. Brilliant you're fine. And from then on with her help and everyone else's help within three weeks, I was running. I shouldn't have been running so with checks as they went cut a long story short, when I went back to the hospital for my 10 week check, I was back doing handstand pushups in recovery.

And you know what they're like. So there's quite a lot strain on the core in doing those. So that went from that. The recovery was hard, but mentally more mental than physical. I found I thought all the things that my surgeon told me, unfortunately, Joe, you're never going to be as fit as you were. So an English saying is that's like red rag to a bull. I will succeed.

Kevin English: I think you're starting to get an idea of what Joe is like. He's just gone through this [00:06:00] extremely traumatic event. And doctors told him he'd never be as fit as he used to be. And to use Joe's words, that was like a red flag to a bull. 10 weeks after surgery, he's doing handstand pushups. If you're not familiar with handstand pushups, they're exactly what they sound like.

You flip over into a handstand with your feet against a wall, and then you slowly lower your head to the ground. And then push yourself back up. So obviously his physical recovery is coming along quite well. But I wanted to know about the mental side of recovery. Where does that mental fortitude to push come from?

Jo White: It's probably from working with the military so many years as well, but also having a strong family background as well, and just the will to do it. I really should thank the surgeon for saying that you never will be as fit as you were. And I'm sure that was a ma he didn't realize it at the time.

He didn't realize what that was like. It was just enough to push [00:07:00] me through. Mentally not being able to do the things you do. And I know a lot of people have a lot worse than me, but that was quite a strong thing to not be able to run properly, not be able to do the exercise I was at, but also thinking, I didn't think I'd be in it to see my sons grow up from the operation.

I didn't think I was going to come out. So I had said my goodbyes before then. And then it kind of shocked me that I was out so then it was just a push forward, basically.

Kevin English: And so that's obviously you have that mental fortitude and that, positive mental attitude, which I have to imagine is a huge part of any recovery.

Jo White: Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. That is so true for everybody. And I think if they get that in their mindset and you can work towards it and just live every day to get fitter and a hundred percent, your recovery rate is better.

Definitely it's time cuts it down.

Kevin English: Yeah, live every day to get fit or that's less of a workout routine and more of [00:08:00] a philosophy of life, right? You've ingrained this fitness into your life. And in all fairness, now this has been a part of your life way before cancer, right? you were a very fit person going into this illness and you're a very fit person on the other side of it.

Jo White: That would have been failure. I was re very reasonably fit, but what I had. The diagnosis. I had a year to get fitter even from there. So once you got diagnosed in 2030, 2012 people, my operation 2014, they said you already got a year before. We're going to operate you because you're going to be on chemo for them. my thought was a fitter. I get the better I recover.

Kevin English: So now Joe is a cancer survivor. And I've heard him refer to himself as both a cancer fighter and a cancer warrior. But now he wants to do something to give back. And out of this as born in idea. 365 days of action.

Jo White:  So I wanted a year to do something. So I wanted to [00:09:00] raise money for the mountain rescue and definitely cancer research and also combat stress because they will post them up. Many people are involved with it. I know, and I just wanted to raise some money. So the whole idea was if I came up with the idea I needed 365,000 people on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook.

This was the idea. All of them to put a pound in or a dollar. whatever they could put in. And that would equate to 365,000. And I thought everyone, even in hard circumstances, they could probably afford one pound. That was the idea.

Kevin English: Now, when we spoke, it was probably, I don't know, March or April last year and COVID was brand new. We didn't know what was going on. Nobody did. Right. And I remember we talked a little bit about this. The sensible thing might have been to kind of wait and see with this, this was starting this and you had decided no, I'm going to start on and correct me if I'm wrong.

I [00:10:00] think it was May 1st. Is that right? Yes, that's correct. And that may have coincided with a kid's birthday. I think if I remember correctly, good memory. Talk to us about your decision to move forward in the face of all that uncertainty. And during that time,

Jo White: The decision to move forward. Everything was set in place hindsight, but to said, perhaps it would have been better to hold back and I would have got more support, but I didn't really know what was going to happen.

I know none of us did about COVID and it would have been probably hindsight. I would have had more people, more support and more following from the bigger companies. But in the end, I just wanted to show people. That wherever you've got under diverse conditions, whether it's cancer or being locked in.

And you could only get a little bit of exercise, just doing a little bit and get into the great outdoors to get some fresh air for mental stability and physical health as well. That was the idea.

Kevin English: Get [00:11:00] into the great outdoors to get some fresh air for mental stability and physical health. That just sounds like great advice. And Joe did just that. Over the last year he was outside rain or shine in both beautiful and horrendous weather. And while it may have made sense to delay this project in the face of COVID, Joe decides to push forward and get outside and be active for 365 days.

He's working on his health and raising money for charities.

Jo White: So the idea was to come up with a figure. So it was 8,000 kilometers in total. That was what I was going to do. And a hundred thousand meters originally it was 50,000 meters and I had to up it halfway through.

So breaking that down, it works out to 22 K a day. And just the average Heights that I always do in, in elevation, just on total high throughout the day, it would break down. So just splitting out like that. That's how we worked it out.

Kevin English: It was this a seven day a week endeavor?

Jo White: Yes. Yeah, there's never a day off. I had to have one day [00:12:00] off through being sick. Once I was absolutely destroyed that I had to have a day off by other day off. So I made it up and did 367 days. To finish off.

Kevin English: So basically for an entire year, every single day, you got outside, you got these miles and on these kilometers in, and you got this elevation in.

Talk to us a little bit about what were some of the highlights of the year?

Jo White: Some of the highlights of the year, we're actually going out and meeting people that you could actually speak to the word afraid to speak to you. This is another thing. So we've got a t-shirt on, or I had a flag that I was carrying when he actually got to the mountains in between the COVID when they a couple of breaks.

So that was really good. There's some highlights there. And some of the highlights were when the weather was so inclement, it was just raining so hard. And then the snow, then the Hale. And I just found it funny. I just have to giggle as I was doing it. I just really enjoyed that. Sometimes it was hard. I'm not saying it wasn't to push yourself forward, but you just have to keep going. Cause you said you were going to. [00:13:00]

Kevin English: Yeah, absolutely. So I love that you mentioned that some of the inclement weather was it was in your highlight reel there. And I know that originally you had wanted to do a fair amount of travel and I can't imagine that some of that wasn't curtailed by the COVID restrictions, is that right?

Jo White: Yes, it was. Yeah, all the mountains, like Kilimanjaro more belonged and Alvarez, obviously couldn't go because they were all banned countries to move to. We weren't allowed out of the country and there was no movement. And to be honest, and obviously the injections that we have in the vaccines and winners have those yet.

So all restrictions were down. Even we live in England and Wales is the next not country, but next border to us, realistically, which is probably about five hours, three hours traveling, depending where you're going. So this is where the mountains are close to me, but we can't get there even at all.

Kevin English: So I know that you've managed to get your elevation gain. So for these mountains that you had originally wanted to [00:14:00] climb, how did you compensate for not being able to actually travel to these places?

Jo White: So what I did in the end was on the last few days, which were the 30th of April this year and the 1st of May and the second of May we, that was the last mountain that was Kilimanjaro.

So two weeks previous, it was Mount Elbrus and two weeks previous to that, it was more blocked. So in the end it was 95 reps for more block of a Kiwi Hill, which is 250 meters long in distance, but 50 meters in elevation. So then the last mountain basically was 117 repetitions of Hill reps as anyone that's done Hill wraps on the same place, looking at the same thing.

It's not exciting, but it gave me the elevation from sea level. So we did it from sea level. So not the height. So Kilimanjaro actually starts at 1600 meters, but we did it from sea level to carry on and get it done.

Kevin English:  Got it. All right. And so you're getting a lot of, a lot of reps [00:15:00] in doing that. Yeah. All right. Well, what were some of your low points during all of this? What was tough?

Jo White: Yeah. And actually one of the low points was I had some friends come down in doing Mount Elbrus, which was 112 repetitions. And this was one of the local ones where they were so physically tired in your knees were aching, as you were descending down. And we were thinking we had to do 50 reps that day, for instance, and it was at least 25 reps.

And you could all very went quiet. So all three of us were very quiet as we were going. And it just was very, very weird, very hard, but just kept pushing through.

Kevin English: Yeah. That's where the, I keep pushing don't ever give up, has to really come in. Right? Yeah. This might be a good segue to talk a little bit about motivation.

I mean, clearly you're motivated, right? You and you alluded a little bit to what kept you going, right? That you made this public statement. You're gonna do this, and now you're committed to this and [00:16:00] it's something bigger than yourself. But talk to us a little bit about motivation day in and day out, and maybe contrast that with the role of discipline and sticking with something.

Jo White: I think it does help really does help. If you set yourself a goal, make the goal achievable. But when you come to a big task and you've opened your mouth and you've told people, and you've told the social media and everyone else, you really have got no choice, unless one's legs fall off, you've just got to do it.

And that's a massive motivation, but also whatever money that you're raising these people desperately need it because they're charities and they save people's lives. Definitely combat stress through mental, mental problems for military and also civilians as well as civilian families cancer research.

I don't have to explain about that. It's pretty obvious. And also mountain rescue is all voluntary in this country.

So they desperately need money all the time to [00:17:00] help out. And of course, with COVID all of these charities really, really suffered. So, even though it wasn't the amount of money that I was trying to raise that I wanted to, every penny counted.

So that's another motivator for me. And yes, I am motivated what I don't like to not achieve something. So probably the 365,000 wasn't raised, I've got up to 12,500 so far. So I will continue over the next few years to carry on raising that money and we'll reach my target.

Kevin English: That's fantastic. Yeah. And we'll circle back to that. Cause I want to talk more about how people listening, how they might be able to get involved. So we'll certainly make sure stick around to the end of this. We'll we'll give everybody information on how they can get involved there. you had mentioned that part of that motivation was making that public declaration.

Did you have a social media presence before?

Jo White: No, I did a few hundred, a few hundred people that was doing some [00:18:00] exercises on and just having it as a giggle really. And it was just a bit of fun. The old boys training is that's the Instagram handle boys training. And it's. It was just, people started to watch and thinking, Oh my God.

And that's, that's what I found. You have actually that and watching that as well. So that's all for the over fifties and just watching the over fifties fitness and I've worked in all sorts of things of you're into CrossFit. Great deals. She's brilliant. It's that's it was a very small presence and this hasn't gone up massively, but what I did find it does take a lot of your time up.

Definitely that's the only, I did find that harder. You saying bad things harder. And the adding to social media every day, that was quite difficult for me.
Kevin English: I can imagine. And I started the whole Instagram account thing about a year ago and it is surprising if it seemed really simple.

Well, I just put a post up there every day. Well, that's, it turns out that's quite a commitment, but if I'm not mistaken, you, I don't believe you [00:19:00] missed a day. Of posting is that right? Every day, every day, every day. And so I know it's obvious that it's sometimes you had somebody that was filming, but you would have to make an addition to this incredible challenge.

You'd have to carve out a little bit of time to kind of update folks on what you were doing. You would give us weekly recaps and I think at one point you were doing some videos where you were doing kind of a, I can't remember like a fireside chat or something just. Describing your experience with cancer.

So there was a lot of different content in there, but basically every day you're on there saying, Hey, I'm outside. I'm getting it done. You should to keep pushing. Don't ever give up.

Jo White: That's it? Yeah. And just keeping up to doing that. I didn't realize that that the YouTubers and the people that use the social media so much, my goodness, me, it does take an awful lot of time.

So my hat goes off to them to do it.

Kevin English: agree. So let's talk [00:20:00] about where you are today. I saw you put up your last post. Hey guys, we did it. This was 365 days. Hats off to you. That's a fantastic accomplishment. what a tremendous thing to take on during this incredibly difficult time and just get all the way through that.

And miss literally only one day of getting outside and getting it done. Where are you today and what happens to 365 days of action?

Jo White: Okay. That's 365 days of action. Post is still open on Virgin media. And so people can still, the ones that missed out, they can still also donate in that Avaya old boys training.com.

There's a donate button on there that this is recovered was nine, six. That seven, nine kilometers, which equates to over 6,000 miles. And the elevation covered in that year was 138,807 meters in elevation. And the money to date was 2,500 pounds so far. So what's happening now is I'm still training every day.

Obviously, if I've stout [00:21:00] starting to train for October, the 19th is an old man's birthday, which is mine and I'm 55. And I got to start the challenge of doing this a thousand mountains. It's not going to be every day. It's going to be spread over 10 years. So by the time I'm 65, I'd like to a thought, I'd raise that 365,000 pounds, or they've also done well over a thousand mountains. So this is my new challenge.

Kevin English: So Joe said a very aggressive target for his charity goal. And when he didn't reach the amount of money that he'd hoped for in his 365 days challenge. He simply up the ante now he's kicking off a new initiative. 1000 mountains climbed. That's a lot of mountains. But what exactly constitutes as a mountain?

Jo White:  So in, in the UK, many people abroad will laugh at this, but in the UK, a mountain is equated to 600 meters, anything above [00:22:00] 600 meters. So in the UK and Europe last year, UK, there's over 1200 mountains that are over that height. So I'd also like, you know, we'll be getting to do Kilimanjaro more belong, and also Alvarez in those times and do a few in Europe and a few in the States.

Kevin English: Fantastic. All right, so, and will this initiative kickoff then on, I think it said October 19th. Yes, it was. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Will you continue to have the same Instagram where you keep the training yet?

Jo White: I've got a new buddy. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be a new training buddy as well.

I met him in Wales. He's a little Kelpie, Australian Kelpie puppy. This, his name, bear by any chance. That's the one. It is bad. Yeah. So bear would be arriving at the end of may. And so he'd be ready and trained to start these mountains. So he'll be joining us.

Kevin English: Okay. Yeah. For folks who don't know what we're talking about, this is an adorable puppy that you've been posting the last couple of days, and I believe his name is Baron.

[00:23:00] Say his, say his breed, Australian Kelpie. Okay. Is it Australian shepherd dog? Okay. Right. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. So what will happen to the 365 days of action? Will that stay open? Will that tie into the So your mountain initiative?

Jo White: The 365 days is going to stay open, but it's going to be pushed towards the thousand mountains. So that will be shut down by the time it comes to the October and just change it over.

Kevin English: Got it. And I guess now is as good a time as any to talk to folks about this charity. So this charity is going to support mountain research. It's going to support combat stress, and it's going to support cancer research. People can go to your website and I'll put all of this information into the show notes for this particular episode, but if they want to donate, they can get through any of those channels and just click a donate button. Is that

Jo White: yeah, they can go onto my Instagram page [00:24:00] or my Instagram is all boys training and also that's the same for Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter.

So we'll old boys, lots of ways. And you have a webpage as well, so lots of ways for folks to contact you there.

Yeah, definitely.

Kevin English: Okay. So. where did the idea for the thousand mountains come up? how did you come up with that idea

Jo White: out is what could we do next? Cause we haven't achieved that. I felt as though I haven't achieved that goal, whether it was COVID or not. So let's do something that's not going to be 365 days.

Cause realistically there'd be three mountains a day and that's just impossible. So I'm hoping to get it done under those years. And I definitely will try to get it done quicker than that. But also the thousand mounds in. So every time that we reach a mountain peak and hit to the trigger point or where the top of it, basically where you're the summits and just say [00:25:00] something happened a little recording of doing something, a little song, perhaps I don't know yet something different to catch people's attention, not to bore everybody every day. Hopefully we still need a lots of followers, massive amount of followers we need.

Kevin English: So that's, that's what I was going to ask. So how can people support you outside of a direct monetary contribution? You had mentioned getting followers and supporters. Talk to us a little bit about what are things that people can do, if they're they're listening to this and would like to support you.

Jo White: Yeah. It's not all about the money. I know that's about the charities. You want to raise money, but if we have the support, as in followers, likes and shares on the Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, this all creates enough money that will help goes to the charities as well.

It's not to be a YouTuber, but any advertising for any companies that we do, then they get money to the charities. So, this is what we're after. So the more [00:26:00] people we get on Oh boy, training them. It makes a massive difference. So they can still gain money. And if at the end of this sessions, all this, and then people want to put a dollar in a pound in that's perfect.

That's all we ever wanted on people, but people have been actually amazing and put lots of money in. So it's to make it easy for everybody to help us out pick charities, are they support all over the world, which is also good.

Okay. So, yeah, that's and that's great. So people can support you in a number of ways.

Kevin English: The most obvious is to make a donation. Right. And there's lots of ways you can do that, but they could follow you. They could like your posts they could share and to help them create that awareness. Right. And are you looking for sponsors?

Jo White: Yes. And anybody? Yes. Anybody that can sponsor us abroad. Europe, anywhere to help us out anything we do.

It's obviously they get quite a lot of coverage through social media. So we are willing to help out anything. Any [00:27:00] expenses, please look forwards heading towards us. Yeah.

Kevin English: Okay. So you heard it here, folks, if you would like to be a sponsor, they are open and taking applications. So certainly reached out.

Well, Joe, I wanted to. To switch a little bit. I really wanted to kind of recap the last year and talk about what's next for you, but I also wanted to get a, you had mentioned that you're heading to the doctor here for another scan, but talk to us a little bit about your health over the last year. It's obviously not been horrible because you've managed to do this tremendous physical feat, but talk to us about your health in general these days.

Jo White: I'm very lucky. I've I've been kept going have a good stable diet, a basic diet. For instance, when people ask about the food ad, it's basically a caveman diet. That's it? It's very, very simple and just eat all good normal foods. That's helped me. Definitely. I'm still, I will be on chemo. It for the rest of [00:28:00] my life.

I also take Creole, which is tablets to help break down those enzymes basically, and also vitamin tablets. That's it? Health wise, all good. Some I'm very lucky that the only thing I get realistically, aches and pains like you would do normally as we get older. It's just, I find a lot of stretching.

That's a stretch a lot more than I used to. Let's put it that way on those, but it's all good and just keep it going forward. And I speak to quite a few people and getting them out and about with me makes a massive difference to what illnesses they've got, whether it's mental health problems or anything, just getting out into the outdoors.

The great outdoors has got so much to offer.

Kevin English: The great outdoors certainly does have so much to offer. In fact neuroscientists have known for quite some time that exercise is [00:29:00] critical to brain health as we age. But more recently are finding that exercising outdoor is even better for healthy aging and longevity. In other words, our brains are more engaged when we are moving outdoors.

When we exercise outdoors in the way that Joe was describing hiking, climbing, negotiating, inclement weather. There's so much more sensory input for our brains to process. But Joe doesn't exclusively work out outdoors. I asked him about one of his sponsors, a rock climbing gym.

Jo White: It's been shut down. Basically the gym is been shut down and they're one of the sponsors that actually have been helping me. And they sponsored me by letting me go training now, which is amazing.

And that's a massive. That commitment for them to do. And they were sponsored all the way through Covid but obviously they were shut. So they are now sponsoring me to do the thousand mountain. So allow me on inclement days to get out there and get in training, which is amazing. Absolutely great. Anybody at any age could do?

This is fantastic. [00:30:00] I've got some training buddies that are in their seventies. They are absolutely amazing.

Kevin English: Yeah. I'll second that I am a big fan of climbing gyms or better yet outdoor climbing. But to your point, climbing gyms are accessible to pretty much anyone. All right, well, Joe, we've already talked about where people can connect with you.

And again, I'll put all that into the show notes. In addition to this new initiative of the thousand mountain initiative, what else is going on for you?

Jo White: Carrying on with the training, obviously getting bear the pup, we should be different for, to keep me going and very amused. Also back into a strict training regime regime, really?

So a lot more all over functional fitness. That's what I did find when I was doing time to train while I was doing the challenge of being out minimum a three and a half to four hours a day outside, which is great. I know we can train, but I did miss. A little bit of going into the climbing gym and things and throwing a kettle bell about putting myself [00:31:00] on bars.

I do that daily regardless. Definitely.

Kevin English: Gotcha. And so where, where do you put your fitness here at almost 55 looking out? It sounds like you've been fit probably your entire life. Where is your fitness as you're looking at 55 compared to the rest of your life? Is it on par is your 25% of what it used to be?

Are you as fit as you've ever been? How would you describe that?

Jo White: From what I've been doing recently, the last year, it's a different kind of fitness in that it's more endurance stuff that I've been doing rather than now. I'd like to be all around the UN around the Sophie thinking. All sorts, basically anything functional fitness from battle ropes to climbing ropes to normal ropes, rope, work, anything to do with that, not so much weights anymore.

A few kettlebells used to do a lot of waste, a lot of powerlifting, many years ago, and a bit of CrossFit before I went from operations, the guys in the gyms really, really helped me out was fantastic. So teaching perspective, I spend a lot of time teaching [00:32:00] rehabilitation stuff and rehab for people. And so fitness on that side.

Kevin English: Gotcha. And do you do any coaching? Are you working with clients in that, in that?

Jo White: Yeah, I am. Yeah. So I teach a lot of rehab now. So not rehab that teach as much dive in as I used to now or anymore PT stuff. I do teach PT. But more so isn't the rehab stuff now. So lots of, I get to pick my clients, but it's just, I'd like to help people out, whatever age.

Whether it be through any illness or mental health and just getting them outside and getting them to exercise. I spend more time doing that with my clients there.

Kevin English: And are you still looking for, I mean, for example, somebody listening to this and maybe has followed you would be interested in working with you, is there a way that they could do that?

Jo White: Yeah, it definitely is working. I mean, can join in on some of the challenges to get out of the bout and helping It's all about the charity. If they want me to help them do something fitness wise [00:33:00] yet I always get in contact. Please do. And that's all at all. Boys training.com training.

Kevin English: Okay, well, Joe, I think we'll leave it there.

And again, that's old boys training. You can find that on all the social media. You can Google Joe as well. And I'll drop everything into the show notes, but folks I'd strongly encourage you, please at least go check him out on social media, give them a follow and share him. And if you feel so inclined, support him, support him financially, or support him in some other ways.

And if you'd like to work with them or be involved in any way Joe's a pretty approachable person just reach out. And I, I think that you'll you know, certainly not be sorry that you did. All right. Well, Joe, I want to thank you again for coming back on the show. I want to thank you for coming on the show to be my first guest.

You agreed to be a guest even before I had a podcast. So that was pretty bold of you right there. But mostly, I want to thank you for just this last year for inspiring us to keep pushing and to not give up. You're a great [00:34:00] inspiration, a fantastic ambassador for healthy aging. And I certainly wish you all the best in all your future endeavors.

And we'll be really excited to watch you in this next chapter with the thousand mountain initiative.

I thank you very much,